Reading Response for 9/25

Reading: Richard Marius, “False Rules and What Is True About Them” (On Writing pp 542)

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39 thoughts on “Reading Response for 9/25

  1. In “False Rules and What Is True About Them,” where did these false rules come from?

    Why do false rules depend on your audience?

    False Rules are allowed to be broken but we have to remember that writing needs some structure and rules.

    Christie Gleason

  2. In “False Rules and What is True About Them”, why would writing facts be better than writing with emotion?
    Why does English have two word infinitives but other languages have one?
    I agree with Richard Marius that writers should be allowed to use first person when writing. It helps the readers see what the writer is trying to say.

  3. How can I know for sure if I am using the first person in the correct context?

    Why is it too informal too use contractions?

    I like how the author makes it clear that writing is more than obeying the rules, and as a young person rules take the joy out of writing so without all the nuisances it becomes somewhat fun.

  4. Palmer Harper
    Why does the author think it’s so informal to use contractions?
    Why do some think that conjunctions are not the best way to start a sentence?
    I like how the author says that the English rules were establish by hundreds of years of habit and not the hand of god just writing it in stone.

  5. Where did the author learn these rules?
    Why is his way of writing the right way?
    This is an essay purely about an opinion of grammar.

  6. Renee Lemire
    In “False Rules and What is True about Them,” refraining from the pronoun “you;” what if I have a bad habit of using “you” to make the audience feel more involved? How can I truly fix this habit?

    How come in my earlier English classes, I got marked off for using some of these “rules?” Shouldn’t my teachers that received an educational degree know that some of these rules are false?

    Richard Marius made me feel more at ease when I write papers. I don’t feel know that I need to make sure I am completely grammatically correct from the strict lessons I learned throughout grade school.

  7. If all of these “false rules” are actually false then why in grade school were we made again and again not to do any of these things?

    What does Marius mean when he says the rules of English are less complicated than you think?

    I wish I would have known the truth about these false rules earlier because it could of made writing so much easier since I would be able to sound like myself and not an Englishman.

  8. Why do we have some of the rules that the author claims are “irrational?”

    Are all the false rules only applied to those who don’t know what they are doing?

    I like the way the author is so lenient about grammar but I think the rules will always depend on the opinion of the reader.

  9. Why do the vast majority of high school teachers insist on sticking to these “false rules”?
    Are the false rules only meant to be for inexperienced writers?
    I’ve had these rules drilled into my brain for years and years. I have never once liked them and do the opposite whenever I’m allowed to.

  10. What is the point of even having contractions in the english language if we should “avoid” using them?

    Why does the author believe that Fowler’s modern disciples have turned the “that/which rule” into an “absurd fetish?”

    I found it interesting how strongly Marius feels about rules and subjects that nobody else really cares about. Still, the contraction thing is what is going to stick with me after reading this. I use contractions all the time when writing and I am going to attempt to stop or at least slow down with my usage of them.

    Louie Copley

  11. In “False Rules and What is True About Them”, why do you think he author used other resources as teachers to relate to?

    Why does the author advice his students to not talk in the first person?

    I enjoy writing in first person much better than any other point of you, so I don’t agree with Richard Marius.

  12. Why were we made to practice rules that were false over and over again?
    What is the point of not writing in first person?

    I had no idea that all of these were false rules.

  13. Since the false rules contribute to many author’s success, wouldn’t that mean that they are proven to be true rules?

    When you are writing a personal essay, how else are you suppose to convey your own personal thoughts with out using first person?

    I thought a lot of these false rules could really be true rules.

  14. Would following these false rules while writing make a better paper than ignoring the rules while writing?

    How do you know when first person is truly called for?

    All of my previous English teachers should have gotten off their high horses and taught me about these false rules before I came to college, because now I am totally rethinking so many of the essays I wrote.

  15. If the rules are so false then why are they taught to every child that goes through elementary school?

    If using first person when writing an essay from a first person view is against the rules then how do we express our thoughts in the essay so the reader knows its OUR thought?

    i might try to write my next essay without contractions so that i would get more words for my word count.

  16. Why do so many English teachers not want their students to use the first person? I mean, it’s useful for research papers, but why will they rarely let you, even under other circumstances?

    Why is it that a lot of English teachers assume that students are not intelligent enough to form a well-created sentence by starting out with a conjunction, and completely ban it from usage in writing?

    I really related to this piece of writing. As I was writing the above questions, I kept wanting to stand up for myself and my writing ability by adding an anecdote onto each question. I feel as if all of my high school English teachers had no faith in my writing, or the writings of others. They made rules and even stated “Yes, this is possible, but you guys don’t know how to do it properly, so you aren’t allowed to do it”, such as starting a sentence with a conjunction. For their information, in my current paper, I have many sentences starting with “but” , and I have many fragments. But, unlike their generalizations, the fragments and occasional usage of sentences starting with conjunctions actually ADD to my writing style instead of making me sound like an idiot who doesn’t know the first thing about English or grammar.

  17. Lauren Anthony
    Why is writing in first person such an important topic?
    Why did so many English teachers tell us to avoid the pronoun “you” if it isn’t that big of a deal?
    I’m glad all of these rules are false because they make writing a lot harder and sometimes take away from your creative thoughts.

  18. Le’otis Boswell-Johnson

    I know that using second person is usually looked down upon, but when is it a good time or topic to use it?

    Why are teachers in high school so strict about these rules so we can get into college but now that we’re actually here, those same rules are being thrown out? (kind of)

    I found it very helpfull that this essay really addressed a lot of the things that we were told not to do in high school and explained when and how it is okay to use them.

  19. Why are we practicing rules that are false?

    Why is it so bad to use the pronoun “you?” Why is it so out of place? Sometimes I think that it is necessary.

    I agree with the statement about mind running faster than our hands, my mind does that all the time in many different circumstances.

  20. Why don’t teachers teach us to implement some of these “false rules” correctly and creatively from an early age?

    Although Marius makes light of these rules, why does it seem like much of the writing population still takes them very seriously?

    I enjoyed his writing style and how he actually brought up his conversational style in the text, it was refreshing.

    • How is it that most teachers don’t realize that their rules aren’t really official?
      This passage ties into the last one we read about how each person has their own style, because it seems that each teacher tries to make their style the incorporated in the rules they teach.

  21. Do you think a writer keeps all of these rules in mind while writing novel, short story etc., or do they pay more attention to these rules after they are finished and begin revising?
    If modern writer’s don’t use phrases such as “in my opinion” how is the reader supposed to distinguish between fact and opinion?
    I think some of these rules were a bit misleading…each rule depends on the style of the writing piece as well as the writer.

  22. How do writers remember all these rules?
    Why place rules when they are made to be broken?
    I learned that once you’ve mastered all these rules you can break them. Now I am confused
    Zachary Anders

  23. Is the point of this essay to make you break the rules all the time or to make you aware of them and tell you the right time to break them?

    Are these rules bad or are they decent guidelines that can help your writing, especially in formal settings?

    This essay gave me the confidence to break the rules at certain times.
    Timmy Corrigan

  24. If false rules oppress writers, then why do teachers apply them?
    The sixth rule want us to avoid using the pronoun “you”, how else should we address our readers?
    I like the similes Marius used.(ie. “like welding armor onto a car; … the care maybe perfectly safe, but it maybe too heavy to move”.)

  25. How come i always learned to use these “false rules” all these years?

    Is this the only way we should all write?

    I believe all these rules actually take away from the creativity of writing. Sometimes i wish there were no rules so i wouldnt be penalized all the time.

  26. What is the point of making a rule you are suppose to break anyways why not just not making the rule?

    Why does the author not want people to write in first person when a good story has personal anecdotes?

    I found this article really interesting in how it’s so different from what we have been told ever sense we have been in school

  27. How come my English teacher made my class write papers about our opinions but not use first person in it?
    What makes contractions informal?
    Writing in first person is difficult for me now. I’m so use to writing in third person that it’s almost uncomfortable to write about myself.
    ~Kaitlyn Klingberg

  28. If your allowed to break a rule then why enforce it?

    Do writers keep all these rules in mind or just the ones that apply to them in a certain situation?

    I love the fact that he starts off by describing and explaining all the rules that many people have always thought were wrong are actually correct.

  29. Why are we taught to follow these rules up until college when our professors just want us to break them?

    Who made these rules and why if experienced writers just aim to break them?

    I like how Marius uses specific examples of how to break these “false rules”.

  30. I never could think how canna journal be that long and boring .

    Who made up all of these rules

    Should this article change the way we write today ?

  31. Do all the rules in “False Rules and What is True About Them” have to be followed all the time?

    If we make choices in our writing unconsciously, then how will we pick them up with these rules?

    Getting through 1. Don’t Use the First Person was hard but after that the rules got more interesting.

  32. Why are you allowing us to write in first person if we are “breaking” the “Don’t Use the First Person” rule?
    Why are professional writers and teachers against using contractions in “formal” papers?

    I found this to be a good review on grammar and helpful when revising my narrative.

  33. If these rules are false, why were we taught them all through out our early
    schooling?

    Why doesn’t anyone tell other teachers they’re wrong?

    I feel like I’ve been misguided my entire life and I don’t know how to write.

  34. Does teaching these “false rules” actually help us in the long run or do our teachers not actually realize that they are not real rules?

    I spent more time trying to figure out how to avoid first person in all of my papers in high school than actually writing papers. Why did our grade school teachers hate first person?

    In grade school we were taught all of these “false rules,” but then our teachers made us read the complex works that seemed to have no rules at all and our teacher would just say “Well it’s okay because he is a professional writer.”

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